KBB vs. your honest value estimate Guessing Game!

"EL_ULY" (uly) 08/22/2016 at 16:37 • Filed to: Trade-in and Resale Values

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Inspired by !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , guess what you think your car/bike it’s worth, look it up on !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! (or equivalent) and see how close you were. We are doing the Private Sale price. I’ll go first...

EL MOOSE!! (2005 XC90 2.5T)

The Good:

It’s in great shape outside/inside and mechanically perfect (because duh, it’s me). Just did a FULL service last month, brand new tires and fresh F/R brakes. 4300K xenon upgrade and yellow fog lights/high beams Because Group B.

The bad:

Headliner is starting the get bad in spots and it has 148K on the ticker. Needs a good clay, polish, and wax. Inside needs a good detail job.

My guess: $5,200 Bob.

Result:

Valiendo chiches de ardilla! Off by $1,200.

EL ZAPATITO (2005 BMW Z4 2.5)

The Good:

Also in great shape outside. Everything works. Sport wheels. Only 121k on the ticker which isn’t too bad on a 05. The design aged very good. Sport wheels and awesome color. Cold air intake and fresh Continental run-flat tires.

The Bad:

It’s a BMW, so it leaks oil (front seals and rear main). Cruise Control doesn’t work. Some relatively inexpensive interior trim is broken (a handle, cup holders). Also needs a good detail inside and out. Needs roundel in the back. Needs headlight restoration. Base model and it shows. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . zzzzzzz

My guess: $4,800 Bob.

Result:

Note to self, don’t play the Price is Right and fucking wash them! Need to stop being lazy and clean them good.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 16:43

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99 T4R SR5 2WD.

Good: Very straight body. Only one door ding and a few scratches. Only paint issue is the rock chips on the front edge of the hood. Interior is very clean and completely factory.

Bad: Keyless entry doesn’t work (yes I changed the battery in the remote). Leaks a little. It’s 2WD.

I’m guessing about 3 grand because no rust.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 16:45

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I’m out of luck on this one. Everything I have is too old to score on KBB or Edmunds, and even Hagerty isn’t that useful.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 16:46

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Well..... KBB says 4 grand.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 16:53

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This is a good (if possibly very depressing) game.

‘08 E90 M3, manual, loaded, just over 90k miles

Good: everything works, runs great, 1 of just over 3000 with an manual in North America

Bad: daily driver wear (rock chips, some leather wear, one small door ding on one side, a couple wheels with some rash)

My guess: $28k

KBB: $22,927

Geez... good thing I’m not looking to sell any time soon and would be happy to keep this one in the stable for the long haul!

El Rocko > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 16:54

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My guess was $25k - only 55k miles though

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 16:56

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I was in the market a couple years ago. Used 4Runners maintain value like almost nothing else! Ended up buying an ‘03 Pathfinder.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/22/2016 at 16:56

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Livin’ the OPPO life...

EL_ULY > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/22/2016 at 17:02

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I wonder how much of a difference it is in automatic?

PowderHound > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:02

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I can never seem to find the “has 190k on the body and 80k on the engine” option on KBB

EL_ULY > El Rocko 08/22/2016 at 17:02

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niiice!

EL_ULY > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 17:02

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4Runners are king of value for sure.

EL_ULY > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/22/2016 at 17:03

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You should be very proud of that buddy! Way too awesomeness!

EL_ULY > PowderHound 08/22/2016 at 17:03

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Jalop life!!!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:09

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I’ll check! ... No difference according to them, but from the forums, it seems that the manuals are in higher demand and less of them are available.

bob and john > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:10

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09 SV650 ABS

good: GSX-R suspension front and rear, frame sliders, HIDs

bad: its been down one or twice, styling and mods arent to everyones taste.

60K km

my guess: $4500

KBB: $4250 + 165 for 6speed trans (? ookkay...) + 65 for full fairing + 30% of all other mods done to the bike (about 2K worth of mods...so 600$ = 5080


00 SV650S
good: clean, run strong, has lower body panels

bad: couple of scratches, missing passenger grab rail

my guess: $2500

KBB: 1450 + 165 for full fairings = 1615

dam.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/22/2016 at 17:15

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It’s almost as crazy as the Tacoma.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:16

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I think most Toyota body on frame are.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:17

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1984 Porsche 944 base -

Good - Drives well, shifts nicely, and clutch has life left - recent maintenance includes timing belt, and rear shocks and springs.

“It’s Expected cause it’s a 30 year old car” - AC has fixable problems, drivers side seat has a hole on the bolster, exact mileage unknown because the old odometer stopped working and a new one was put in. It’s had a decent respray at some point in its life.

The Bad - Much of the interior was swapped for black seats and carpet, but the original cracked brown dash remains. Needs some other little stuff, which I’m working on fixing.

It’s value? My guess is $2,200 because that’s what I paid in the last month; haggerty says Fair is $3,600, which surprised me a little.

CaptainSlower > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:19

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94 Honda Prelude Si. Auto 240K on the clock.

Pro: Power-everything still works, (except cruise) interior is actually not bad, could use some floormats.

Cons: Digital dash needs replacing, needs paint, no radio, no A/C.

Going to guess ~$2000.00

Survey says... $951.00

Ouch.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:22

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My 2004 Mini Cooper

The Good: Mechanicaly solid, with a through refresh by the previous owner (my mechanic) before I bought it. It doesn’t leak, make funny noises, or have any strange behaviors. Car has every option that could be fitted to a 04 Cooper with the exception of fog lights and a CVT.

The Bad: Body is less than perfect with rock chips on the hood, a crease under the drivers rear tail light, and the trunk has previous damage which was poorly repaired (you don’t see it from a distance but when you look closely you can see that the panel is not straight). AC is also non functional. It also is nearing 140k miles.

The result:

I would personally put my car between good and very good an account of it’s mechanical condition. Very good is appraised at $3,289.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 17:24

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I should note I paid $3,000 and 2 old kayaks for it in May.

pjhusa > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:25

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My 2002 ML320:

Guess: $6,500

Actual Value: ~ $3,500

i cri every tiem

pjhusa > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 17:26

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When a 1999 Japanese mainstream SUV in good condition is worth $1 less than a 2005 Swedish luxury crossover in very good condition.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 17:37

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If they’re good enough for the Taliban...

EL_ULY > pjhusa 08/22/2016 at 17:44

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I got an 02 ML for my parents which they are planning to sell soon, many sads indeed

EL_ULY > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 17:45

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oh wow, I wouldn’t have guessed that price

Jayhawk Jake > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:46

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It’s a new Mustang, but it only has 4 cylinders. $23k.

KBB: DAMN IM GOOD! $23k!

EL_ULY > CaptainSlower 08/22/2016 at 17:46

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oh dang :’(

EL_ULY > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 08/22/2016 at 17:47

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oh wow neato! Hold on to her buddy :]

EL_ULY > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/22/2016 at 17:47

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yup yup

EL_ULY > bob and john 08/22/2016 at 17:48

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wow so close on the first one! A little ouch on the second one indeed

EL_ULY > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/22/2016 at 17:48

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that’s true

EL_ULY > Jayhawk Jake 08/22/2016 at 17:49

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perfect score!!!!!!!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 17:57

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Higher mileage enthusiast buyers always want the manual! Hope that stays true for a long time.

bob and john > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 18:05

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I miss read it, it was 1750...+65 for full fairing s and 165 for 6 speed. 1980 is a little easier to swallow

pjhusa > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 18:08

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Which model? 320, 500, or 55 AMG?

Dru > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 18:30

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Holy shit these cars lost a lot of value. My dad has had an S since new and couldn't believe how low the value had gotten.

EL_ULY > pjhusa 08/22/2016 at 18:36

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320 in silver. In very tip top shape :] All mounts, bushings good. brakes and tires good. Not a drop of oil, dry and running smooth as eggs :]

Only think bad is that it needs a good detail inside and out and the driver’s side middle seat is stuck forward.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Dru 08/22/2016 at 18:46

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Copper S go for about twice as much as a standard Cooper. KBB seems to have this completely wrong, or prices have tanked in the last 4 months.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 18:48

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KBB seems rather low for them in my area. A good Cooper will usually set you back about $4,000 and a Cooper S will run you about $8k.

EL_ULY > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 18:54

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That’s what i was getting at looking at prices here

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 18:57

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I am also noting in a quick craigslist dive that 1st gen Coopers and Cooper S are holding their value better than 2nd gen Cooper S (which can be found for about 6k). However 2nd gen Coopers seem to hold their value really well. Odd. Also as expected for a car like these automatics are worth significantly less than manuals.

EL_ULY > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 19:15

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Odd indeed. More so on the transmission differences

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 19:21

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Well the CVT in the first generation was awful and prone to failure (don’t buy a first generation with the auto). The later generations aren’t as bad but are still not great transmissions. There is an enthusiast community which creates a demand for the manuals. Its the same as with Miatas where the fanbase doesn’t want the autos.

pjhusa > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 19:23

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OMG I HAVE THE SAME THING

It’s in tip-top shape, besides the rusty stepbars (which we have yet to remove), weathered driver’s seat, and a sizable splotch of house paint on the fender. That happened when we parked in a garage once while on vacation, and came back seeing it, thinking that it was merely bird excrement. Then we realized what it really was when it wouldn’t wash off.

EL_ULY > pjhusa 08/22/2016 at 20:35

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Oh man. I have a spot like that on the Volvo but it was bird poop. Bled into the clear coat.

Here is a pic of the body on frame beast. Her name is LA MECHE!

EL_ULY > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/22/2016 at 20:36

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I would think so because of those trans issues. Keep her clean dude!

pjhusa > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 20:42

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Nice! That doesn't look like a 2002 though... looks like a 2000 or 2001 (pre-facelift w/ painted bumpers)

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 20:42

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All mods will be tasteful but coming from a family with a history of rally I can’t guarantee that it won’t get dirty. Right now my only plans are strut tower reinforcement plates, a skid plate, a pair of driving lights, and some nice rims.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 21:46

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I do like this little game though

Flavien Vidal > EL_ULY 08/22/2016 at 22:05

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Freaking rare, JDM only first gen RX7, less than 2000 ever produced. Most powerful first gen RX-7, tuned by RE-Amemiya. Interior in good shape for a 31 year old car. 81000km o nthe clock only. A bunch a rare and expensive body panels by RE-Amemiya. 950kg car for 185hp. Rust free.

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Not the original paint. Gas guzzler to a point that it’s borderline scary. It’s also a rotary so it might need a rebuild any day now :)

My estimate (private party sale in Japan): 12000$

KBB has no idea what that thing is.

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It’s a Mini! 90000km on the clock. Recently repainted and some body work was done. Body now looks very clean. Interior is in good condition, but it sucks. Sucked when it was new, keep on sucking today. 42hp of pure awesomness. Again, no rust

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Interior is original but REALLY ugly. Carburetor needs tuning.

My estimate (private party sale in France): 5500$

KBB has no idea what that thing is.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Flavien Vidal 08/22/2016 at 22:25

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OPPO life.

EL_ULY > Flavien Vidal 08/23/2016 at 09:57

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Congrats on the RX7!! Didn’t know it was that bad of a gas guzzler. Also, lol KBB :]

Flavien Vidal > EL_ULY 08/23/2016 at 10:03

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I’ve had it for a little while now :)

But yes it’s that bad... Think 15mpg if driven carefully, 10 to 12 in the mountains, 5 to 6 mpg at the track :)

EL_ULY > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/23/2016 at 10:08

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is there a fine line in the world of Mini between tasteful mods that may even add value to WTF mods?